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Aug 28, 2017

This week’s guest is Hunter Maats, host of the Mixed Mental Arts Podcast and co-author of The Straight-A Conspiracy.   We talk about the future of education and human collaboration – moving past a world of routine factory-worker indoctrination and the “insane cargo cult” of the academic system, and into a new model for the transmission of knowledge that suits a truly planetary culture.


The value of myth, ritual, and other deeply-ingrained but often-maligned premodern human activities.


How to make sense of authority, expertise, and accreditation in a world where the dominance of academia (and the legitimacy of so many other institutions) is losing hold.


How do we structure a “global village?”


What is post-academic education?  What comes after the fall of the Ivory Tower?  How do we recruit premodern impulses into the project of contemporary life without repressing magic, ritual, and myth?


We also talk a lot of smack on Richard Dawkins for being the totally irrational pope of Anti-Religion.


Hunter mentions my article on the evolution of creativity:




“The walls of the Ivory Tower have been falling down for the last thirty years.  There are now 60 million scientific papers, 130 million books.  It’s literally too much information for a tiny cadre of individuals to try and make sense of.  It’s going to take seven and a half billion people to really make sense and draw signal out of that noise.”


“If you’re reading a blog post, you’re getting an hour or two of distilled thought.  If you’re reading a book, then you’re getting hundreds or thousands of hours of distilled thought.  The question is, what is your information diet, and what are you sharing, and what are you engaging with?”


“You should structure a global village a lot like you structure an actual village…”


“Biologically, we want ritual, we want myth, we want belonging, we want a sense of embeddedness.  BUT, we have all this cool stuff now…”


“People like [Richard] Dawkins, even though they bang on about reason all the time, are in my assessment not very reflective individuals.”


“The flag of science has, for a really long time, been in the hands of narrow minded bigots who have drawn a line around their tribe and said that all other tribes, which they call ‘religion,’ or some kind of primitive savagery, are worthless.  And I have no desire of living that way, and I don’t consider what they do ‘science.’  Because science is about changing your mind in light of all available evidence.  It’s not about petty tribalism.”




George Lakoff

Richard Dawkins

Marie Kondo

Adam Smith

Yuval Harari

Kevin Kelly

Richard Doyle

David Loye

Charles Darwin

Alfred Russell Wallace

Aug 14, 2017


This week’s guest is singer-songwriter and music therapist Marya Stark, whom I met at the Global Sound Conference in Los Angeles in 2008.  We discuss the future of the feminine, relationships, and reproduction – and laugh a lot.


• Links


• Topics

- Long Distance Relationships in the Internet Age

- The Pre-Trans Fallacy & Getting Back to The Land

- The Future of Sex in the Age of Machines

- Industrial Medicine & Birth Trauma

- Terraforming & Artificial Wombs

- Tradition vs. Innovation

- Rudolf Steiner’s Lucifer & Ahriman

- Artificial hormones in the drinking water feminizing songbirds

- Intuition of Altitude

- Dancing between the organic and digital:  how can we hold both ends of this without succumbing to either?

- Reclaiming the sacred traditions of premodern femininity

- Bloodwork, Moon Lodges, and the revival of the Sacred Feminine

- Adopting a “Bit Torrent” model to our mixed ethnicities and identities, as a response to concerns about cultural appropriation and “buffet-line” spirituality

- Building a “Literacy of Empathies”

- The moving target of “wisdom,” “experience,” and “adult” through the ages

- Soul Retrieval 101

- dealing with the emotions of the intuition of A sole connection from a parallel universe or alternative timeline & The perils of “astral polyamory”


• Quotes

“Just because the wisdom is ancient doesn’t mean it’s the most effective.”

“Sometimes when we’re in a distortion paradigm, our strategies for wholeness create more distortion.”

“Are we all going to have this magical Golden Age wake-up call?  I’m still rootin’ for it.”

“Honor the thousands of shoulders that we stand on to be able to host some of this information.  Because they were committed to the lineage.  They were committed to carrying it through, no matter what.  They’d give their lives for it.  I have meditation in my life because of those individuals.  I’m not going to shit all over them because I think their cultural context or whatever doesn’t match my fucking modern idea and ideals.  So how do I hold the complexity of that conversation in my heart while not spinning my ego into circles about how cool I am because I’m a meditator?”

“I have to have a prayer for our species that we are connected to an evolutionary architecture…”

“It’s as if the pain that everyone is in is the same.  And it’s rooted in disconnection and distortion of what they’re capable of.”


• Citations

- Up From Eden by Ken Wilber

- At The Edge of History by William Irwin Thompson

- Alien: Covenant (film)

- HR Giger and The Zeitgeist of the Twentieth Century by Stanislav Grof

- Spiral Dynamics by Don Beck & Christopher Cowan

- “The Tower That Ate People” by Peter Gabriel (song)

- Videodrome (film)

- Homo Deus by Yuval Harari

- Team Human Podcast with Douglas Rushkoff

Aug 8, 2017

“You were a paleontologist, originally.  I’ve always considered myself a ‘paisley-ontologist.’  A paleontologist will excavate the soil in search of fossils and a paisley-ontologist will excavate the present for fossilized perceptions.  So I’m always looking for these kind of nuggets, linguistic impressions or etymological traces that lead us from the present into this sort of timelessness, or this subconscious of words and symbols.  I look at the world as a sort of Rorschach Worship Workshop…”

This week’s guest is “The Ungoogleable” Michaelangelo, who all-embracing creative life is as difficult to describe as he is to find via conventional web search.  The only person I’ve ever met – or could imagine – who could successfully pull off the marriage of “comedy,” “necromancy,” AND “rap” – and do it all in a convincing but false Scottish brogue as his alter ego Void Denizen – Michael is one of the wittiest, most hermetic guests this podcast’s ever had.  AND he has some thoughts about the show itself that take us down a labradorite rabbit hole and into underground auroras, where the riddles of the afterlife unfold before our very eyes. 

Even I learned new things about “Future Fossils” in this conversation!  Come with us on a trip into the Illuminated Unconscious and help us excavate the present in the new discipline of Paisley-ontology…


• Michelangelo’s Website:

• MG interviews Void Denizen on Reality Sandwich:


• Topics:

- artificial intelligence

- gaia theory

- the anthropocene

- the atmosphere as an artifact

- mineral consciousness

- “upgrade or perish”

- flowers were a catastrophe

- the importance of turning to face the strange

- paisley-ontology

- using natural fractals as an inkblot test or oracle

- pareidolia

- embodied cognition & conceptual metaphor

- panpsychism & mind as process

- the invention of and reason for sex

- aliens & the archetype of the flying saucer

- the soul and all its incarnations as a single four-dimensional organism

- daimonic information

- excavating the future out of the present

- fossilized dinosaur brains

- accidental summonings

- The Mandela Effect & the possibility of changing the past

- The Metaforest


• Mentions:

- How To Know Higher Realms by Rudolf Steiner

- The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind by Julian Jaynes

- Sex, Ecology, Spirituality by Ken Wilber

- Metaphors We Live By by George Lakoff & Mark Johnson

- Francisco Varela

- Neil Theise

- Pierre Teilhard De Chardin

- Darwin’s Pharmacy by Richard Doyle

- Crystal & Dragon by David Wade

- The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood

- Wings of Desire & City of Angels (films)

- Daniel Vitalis on Tangentially Speaking Podcast

- Crossing The Event Horizon by Jonathan Zap

- “Modern Things” by Björk

- Interstellar (film)


• Other Stuff:

- View From The Horizon


Aug 1, 2017

This week is part 2 of our conversation with biohacking polyamorous geneticist and aspiring Australian politician Meow-Ludo Disco Gamma Meow Meow, founder of Sydney’s Biofoundry.  Get ready for a chat so crazy you’ll think it’s 1999…we spend about 20 minutes arguing about modern art, 20 minutes arguing about the Singularity, and 20 minutes arguing about what’s in the box.

• Meow Himself:

• Biofoundry:


• We Talk:

- We compare campaigning for nuclear technology to bringing a stripper with a drug problem to family dinner;

- IP as Art & The Shape of The Future;

- Leveraging existing systems as scaffolding to transition back into a way of life more suited to our paleolithic environment;

- Vantablack & the jerk who got an exclusive license to use it for art – and how the art community fought back;

- What is GOOD art?

- How “What is Life?” and “What is Art?” might be the same question…

- What the next few decades will be like if we assume a Technological Singularity…

- The social construction of identity

- We argue for ages about whether godlike AI will be independent from the biosphere….


• Citations:

- Common As Air by Lewis Hyde

- Damien Hirst

- Anish Kapoor

- Alain de Botton

- Marcel Duchamp

- Michelangelo

- James Gansfield

- The Architects of Air

- Stuart Semple

- Andrew Despi

- What Technology Wants by Kevin Kelly

- John Allen (Institute of Ecotechnics)

- Shin Gojira

- Teranesia by Greg Egan

- The Origin of Species by Charles Darwin

- Bacterial Polyamory


• Quotes:

“If you say to ‘them,’ ‘I have fifteen girlfriends, how many of them should I bring?’, you’ll freak ‘em the fuck out.”

“Artists have to be subversive.  And why not be subversive within the system that exists?  Because that provokes other artists to come and then challenge it.”

“I’ve had enough wine to say this:  everything we do now is meaningless.  It’s playtime until the Technological Singularity.”

“We are made of atoms, ultimately, but they’re our bitch.”

“We’re talking twenty years from now, and I can’t even predict this year.  If I could, I would have invested in Bitcoin in March!”


• Read more about evolution as entropy:

• Read more about evolution as a remix: